OF专访 | 人工智能的指挥官——Andreas Refsgaard

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Andreas Refsgaard是来自丹麦的互动设计师,艺术家和老师。他于2015年于CIID深造完毕,并于2017年开始与Lasse Korsgaard一起创办创意编程工作室Støj。

他为诸如谷歌创意实验室和嘉士伯等客户工作,并在的商业和艺术项目之间来回切换。最近Andreas一直在探索机器学习的创意应用,并花费大量时间教授其他设计师如何在CIID(DK),Hyper Island(SE),Bartlett(英国)等地的实时交互项目中使用机器学习。 V2(NL),Resonate(RS)和KIKK(BE)。

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今天我们专访的艺是丹麦互动设计师Andreas Refsgaard,他擅长交互设计,创意编程,也眼睛指挥项目的创造者。他在人工智能上颇有造诣,目前也是OF COURSE人工智能的授课老师。来听听他对未来的看法吧!

Q1:你是什么时候决定成为一名互动艺术家的? 是你在大学的时候吗?

Andreas Refsgaard: 在快毕业的时候我才意识到我也许可以做一些交互艺术相关的东西。我的专业是数字设计(digital design), 当时我对于我最终将要使用的内容一无所知。 大学的最后一年,我注册的一个名为“Wordpress”的课被取消了,我只好上唯一一节还可以选的课,即“创意数字实践。” 其中一位名叫Ole Kristensen的老师是一名软件艺术家,他喜欢为戏剧和舞蹈表演定制一些软件。同时,他鼓励我们使用像Processing这样的软件来搞创意。他创造了一个可以享受乐趣和探索的教师和氛围。 即使我以前从未真正敲过代码,但我感到我能够通过软件创作艺术作品。

Q:When did you decide to be a interactive artist? Did you know that in college?
A:It was quite late in college that I even got aware that you could be working with interactive art. I was studying digital design, and had no clear idea about what I would end up working with. In my last year a class about Wordpress I signed up for got cancelled so I took the only available class at the time, which was called “Creative Digital Practise”. One of the teachers, named Ole Kristensen, was a software artist, and wrote costume software as set design for theater and dance performances. And he encouraged us get creative with software like Processing. He created a classroom and an atmosphere where it was okay to just have fun, and explore. And even though I had never really coded before, I felt really empowered by being able to create artistic works through software.

Δ在做生成艺术的Andreas Refsgaard

Q2:您曾与Gene Kogan合作过一个将乐器绘画转换为音乐的作品Doodle Tunes。可以简单说一些创作的过程吗?

Andreas Refsgaard: Gene当时被邀请参加Nabi AI Hackathon(韩国首尔)并可带一名学生与他一起工作。他邀请了我,因为我刚刚在柏林的SchoolOfMa参加了一个关于机器学习的课程。在Hackathon,我们最终完成了三个项目:各自完成了一个独立项目,以及合作的Doodle Tunes。我非常喜欢在输入和输出之间建立非传统的联系,这使我想到了几个月前制作的一个低保真草图,即将乐器的绘图变成音乐的想法,它可以将绘图转换为VJ视觉效果。
想法确定了之后,一切进展顺利。Gene使用计算机视觉技术使作品设置更加稳定。 总而言之,它是在2天左右的时间内建成的,它仍然是我最为自豪的作品之一。

Q:You had cooperated with Gene Kogan for a application which transforms drawings of musical instruments into music. Tell us your creative process.
A:Gene got invited to participate in Nabi AI Hackathon (Seoul, South Korea) and could bring a student to work with him. He invited me, since I had just attended a class of his in Berlin at SchoolOfMa about Machine Learning. At the hackathon we ended up doing three projects, one individual each and Doodle Tunes as a joint effort. I am a big fan of making unconventional connections between inputs and outputs and I got the idea for turning drawings of musical instruments into music from having made a lo-fi sketch a few months earlier, that turned drawings into VJ visuals.
From there on it was pretty straight forward actually and Gene had a lot of tricks for how to get the setup more stable by using computer vision techniques.
All in all it was build in 2 days or so, and it is still one of the works that I am most proud of having been a part of.

ΔAndreas Refsgaard的得意作品,将绘图直接生成视觉效果


Andreas Refsgaard: 当然! 我认为在输入和输出的连接方面,可以通过代码实现很多可能性。 如果某些东西可以变成数字或受到数字信号的影响,我知道我可以将它与其他东西结合起来并将其用作控制器或由其他输入控制的东西。 在我看来,这种跨媒体交互方式是编程所特有的。

Q:Do you find that coding inspires or influences your art?
A:For sure! I think a lot in terms of inputs and outputs that I can connect through code. If something can be turned into numbers or effected by digital signals I know that I can combine it with something else and use it as a controller or something that is controlled by another input. This way of cross media interactivity is something that is unique to coding in my opinion.

ΔAndreas Refsgaard逐帧制作的《闪灵》

Q4:艺术世界往往存在许多误解。 在你的艺术领域,有哪些误解?

Andreas Refsgaard: 通常人们认为技术人员没有创意或创意人士不擅长使用技术工具,如编程。 我认为这是一个很大的误解,希望像OF COURSE这样的课程有助于弥合这两个世界,并清除这种误解。

Q:There are many misconceptions about the art world. What are the misconceptions about your field of art?
A:Often people have the idea that technical people cannot be creative or that creative people are not good at using technical tools, like programming. I think that is a big misconception, and hopefully courses like the ones at OfCourse help bridge the two worlds and clear out this misconception.

ΔAndreas Refsgaard的Eye Conductor获得了CORE77的最佳设计奖


Andreas Refsgaard:有次我在法国举办了工作坊,一个非常非常高的男人装了一个瑜伽分类器。这个瑜伽分类器根据他的瑜伽动作,输出做出相同动作的猫的照片。 这真的很有趣,在那么短的时间内完成这么棒的作品。

Q:What is the funniest thing that has happened to you while teaching interactive design with machine learning?
A:Once I taught a workshop in France where a really really tall guy trained a yoga classifier that would output images of cats doing the same poses as he did. That was really fun to see, and ended up working quite nicely in a very short time.

ΔAndreas Refsgaard让猫做出相同的动作


Andreas Refsgaard: 在我第一次使用Processing的时候,我就爱上了它。目前它仍然是快速绘制内容或实现简单想法的首选工具。 我发现它非常有价值,因为它的操作相当简单,很快就能掌握,而且功能强大,与此同时,专业人士仍然可以使用它创作令人惊叹的作品。

Q:Is there a tool you enjoy working with most? Why?
A:I started out with Processing and it is still my go-to tool for sketching things out fast or proving a simple idea. I find it really valuable, because it is so simple and easy to get started with, yet powerful enough that professionals still work with it and build amazing things.

ΔAndreas Refsgaard让猫做动作的作品


Andreas Refsgaard: 在学习同时也要去实践,尽可能地多做些实验。创意编程无所谓成功或失败,重要的是要去做。

Q:Anything else you would like to mention? especially for Chinese young artist or student?
A:Go wild and experiment as much as possible while learning! There is no right or wrong when you do creative coding.

ΔAndreas Refsgaard也毫不吝啬地将自己的实践经验分享给他人

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